Nickel plated axles
Fairly new to the scene and I've heard that NPAs are better out of the box/easier to polish. At first I thought it was just FTEs that had them, but scanning through threads here someone mentioned that the Color Shifters also come with NPAs. Is this true? Are there other lines that come with nickel plates axels? Are they really all that much better? This is all very interesting to me.
Thanks in advanced!
Discussion
A host once shared privately with me how a blister fresh very recent modern casting absolutely smoked the previous record time set by all manner of custom built cars. Nothing is guaranteed by either the FTE or NPA, those can just offer a slight leg up if your other tuning skills are not so established.
- Very good to know! Thanks for the insight — Fabel
- Chris always has the inside scoop, lol. — ConMan_Customs
- ConMan, I just pay attention to any little thing builders and hosts let slip by. Learning by osmosis or something — Chris_Hood
I use a lot of FTEs simply because I bought a lot of them when I first got into this hobby. I mainly like them for the wheels which seem to be better than average, plus I have a disability and FTEs save me the step of polishing. They're good solid choices but definitely not the magic bullet they were once thought to be. A good polishing and lube job on a standard axle will work just as well if not better. To me, it's all about the wheels.
- Interesting and good to know, are there any wheels you keep your eye out for in particular? I've heard CM5s are good alongside the aforementioned FTEs — Fabel
- I've found that the Mario basic cart and 1998 First Editions are also good bets. Better than average, anyway. — FeralPatrick
- Also any new wheel styles when they're released because the molds are new. — FeralPatrick
- Can you elaborate on the molds being new, Patrick? Sounds like you know something I don’t. Is there a concern with the plastic deforming around the axle? — ConMan_Customs
- ConMan, when you get a buzzy, wobbly wheel, it may be due to the injection mold wearing out, causing the wheel to deform. At least that's what I've read here and saw in YT videos. If anyone else has info to confirm or corect let us know. I'm no expert. :) — FeralPatrick
- Interesting. So new wheels are less likely to be wobbly. Good to know! Never thought of that — ConMan_Customs
it seems there is one set of cars with plated axles
the zuru's. (metal machines)
the color shifters are thae same axles as the normals
just bigger (0.037 v 0.027)
dr
- I've heard Color Shifters do have NPAs due to them being submerged in water to change colors - keeps the axles from rusting. — FeralPatrick
- it seems so, the axles look different, but the zurus all the axles seem the same, plated or just very shiny — dr_dodge
- Zurus aren't bad for rolling. I've had a few on several competition cars, and they seemed to hold their own pretty well. — SpyDude
NPA axles are a short cut that could save you some polishing. They're a better place to start than without if you're in learning mode and trying to figure out combinations that work.
My attitude was always, if you have 'em, great, if not, don't sweat finding them - just take some non-NPA and smooth/polish/improve. Wheels & weight can have more impact on performance in my experience seeing a lot of build cars over many years.
From what I've heard/learned, Color Shifters have NPA beacuse they are resistant to damage from the cars being submerged in water. Hot Wheels NASCAR Pro Racing castings with the black wheels with yellow lettering are NPA, and most of the Modern Classics series have them. Like everyone else says, they are ok, but will need the same amount of effort and skill to be competitively fast as any other axel/wheel setup. I have a few fast FTE castings like the Honda Spocket, newer model Dodge Charger, and the Chrysler 300. Anything else is just average for me.
FTE wheels also tend to have mass reduced wherever possible which isn't insignificant. Just simple moment of inertia math, and often times being faster off the line is more important than being fastest overall, because then you can block other cars and get pushed by them...
But yes Color shifters are NPA, you'll see for example a lot of color shifters wheels from a lancer EVO used in the GTR Ultimate Evo Championship. People also like color shifters because they have a metal chassis I believe (lower CG). Unfortunately this isn't a secret so they aren't easy to find in stores, at least where I live...
My fastest car so far that holds a top-5 lap record at the Lord's Racing League was FTE, unpolished, with oil lube. I hope to recycle it, maybe polish them a bit, give it new weights, and see how much it improves with polishing. With that being said, i'm also going to just start polishing the crap out of standard axles because I'm fully convinced the fastest cars/builders are just using standard axles that have been polished a LOT. Like, way more polishing than you'd expect any sane man to do. That's my working theory, at least...
If you don't have lots of money to throw at axles, I wouldn't advise FTE. You can only get them on ebay and the supply/demand scale is constantly tipping against our favor since they are no longer produced. And you'll probably be bidding against me or other guys on this forum, LOL. This is why I'm starting to shy away from them--feels like way too much money. If you go thru ebay, buy multiple from the same seller and request an invoice for combined shipping. You can usually get them for $5/FTE car on ebay as opposed to, like, 1-2$ a car for a normal hot wheel from a store. Worth noting only about 25% of the FTE axles you buy will be really good out of the box, and many times you'll only get one good axle from a car, so you have to mix and match.
My advice to you would be whatever axles you go for, adhere them with JB Qwik. This will allow you to re-use the axle, can remove the JB with pliers really well. Any other adhesive may be impossible to remove cleanly. I lose sleep thinking about my best axles that I cannot recycle because I used adhesive that's impossible to remove. Don't make the same mistake I did :(
P.S. the Slanman/RLD wheel alignment jig is worth the investment, unless you wanna build your own
- the replacable axles is why I am experimenting with retainer plates, and screws, easy to swap to test, or replace them if the car takes a bad wack — dr_dodge
- Very duly noted, thanks for the advice! And yea I'm not out here bidding on FTEs yet, just trying to get a feel for what's considered good. Very excited to start modding cars, the stuff for it should be here tomorrow! — Fabel
- Have fun man :) can’t wait to see you on the track — ConMan_Customs
- @DrDodge: Chaos Canyon had one of his cars set up with a screw-in block for the wheels and retaining screws on each axle. Whenever he blew a wheel out, he simply unscrewed the car, loosened the block, slid a new wheel and axle in, and screwed the block back down. That was on his '5-0' Lincoln Continental police car. — SpyDude
- Great inputs, cheers — CutRock_R_Marc_D
FWIW, here's an older list of which lines came with FTEs. Certainly hasn't been really kept updated but hopefully folks can share and add anything new.
redlinederby.com/topic/which-carsbrands-have-fte-nickel-axles/2766
for the record, I think the science of straightness, axle wise,
is more important than finish, some axles have a "screw" to them at the head
axles need to be straight, and can be straightened, and most should be, if not all.
but IMHO, if a screwy axle spins a wheel, it (wheel) will always be screwy, too
even when the axle is straightened later
the axle makes the wheel what it is once it spins on it a while (cough sanding w/ no lube, cough)
rolling an axle between 2 flat metal pieces will flatten it, which makes it more round
dr
- Great stuff, thanks — alva1370
- Great insight Doc — Banjo
- I once installed a wheel on a pin gauge (don’t remember the diameter), it spun beautiful. — alva1370
- I would be interested in seeing a quick video about straighening an axel — ChaseFamilyRacing
I think we all start there as we do research and hear that NPA and FTE are the hot setup... but I think you will find that the consensus is a highly polished and properly lubed standard axle is a high performer and possibly preferred in many instances. Testing is your friend... Enjoy the ride!